Anyone concerned about MR's and war?

January 7th, 2009 by jack

Suppose you take a MR to Europe for a night and war breaks out. Suppose airlines cancell flights and you can't get back to your job by Monday morning....

Suppose your boss isn't happy.....

Any concerns?

Edited to add some perspecetive...
Bottom line, if there is a war, MR's are not a real concern. Life is, as is liberty and security.

[This message has been edited by zrs70 (edited 02-07-2003).]

Originally posted by zrs70:

Suppose your boss isn't happy.....

zrs,

You know the Hebrew National commercial...

...about how we have to answer to a higher authority. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

Dan

Originally posted by fredmartens:
Let's hope cool heads prevail throughout the situations involving Al Qaida, Iraq and N. Korea.

We have a very Cool Customer in the White House right now who will do what is right..... I have the utmost confidence in him. I was just in Germany and was told that many German's agree with Bush that the threat is real, they just feel that they have been through 50 years of war (cold war etal) and just don't want to think about it any more. No matter how right Bush may be..

You will find most of Europe fairly accomodating to an American staying over a few days.....

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AA member since 1981.

Have a few trips upcoming to DUB, LHR & FRA before 3/31. I'd be lying if I said my radar wasn't a little more finely tuned to the EUR travel climate in the coming days.

Let's hope cool heads prevail throughout the situations involving Al Qaida, Iraq and N. Korea.

Cure posted 'Janine, a 17-year-old schoolgirl with green-dyed hair, vented her anger at President Bush: "Bush is just like Hitler. He is just as right-wing and war crazy."

Maybe Janine isn't too far from the truth.

Larry

I think one has to differentiate, between anti-bush and anti-american. I think you will find many people in Europe that will tell you that Bush is an egomaniac and a crazy whacko, which doesn't affect how they view you, the american citizen.
(You will probably find an equal amount, if not more americans that will tell you that bush is crazy....)

I would have no concerns travelling to anywhere in europe, war or not....

I second that.

Life goes on on this side of the pond as it does on the other side of the pond.

Political issues aside - why should I change my vacation plans or why should I not fly to the U.S. to see my American friends? I do not see a single reason why I should change my plans, nor do I see any reason why an American should change his/her plans. Don't let those not believing in freedom control our lives! Aren't we all citizens of the world after all as well?

Also, rest assured that (to the best of my knowledge) there are no feelings against you as an American - you should be as safe and as fine as always over here (and I guess in many European cities one feels safer than in some American cities). People do not see the U.S. as their enemy over here, they simply do not agree with the current actions regarding Iraq.

So fholt, please do come visit Germany - you should enjoy your trip.

jerry crump - I would not say that the sentiment is that the Americans are a bunch of cowbodys - I'd rather say the sentiment is that the admistration is sometimes acting the way referenced above.

And to be honest, and in interest of full disclosure, I personally think that it is still too early for the U.S. to go to war with Iraq - let the U.N. act and move forward, and if this does not lead to any success, I am sure that people will agree how to disarm Iraq - including Germany.

Perhaps German opinion, or at least 80% of it, is not so warm and fuzzy about America:

'Janine, a 17-year-old schoolgirl with green-dyed hair, vented her anger at President Bush: "Bush is just like Hitler. He is just as right-wing and war crazy."'

In the unlikely scenario you describe, I think that a boss would be understanding (perhaps even concerned?)

In any case, everyone would be glued to CNN anyway, so no work would get done.

Originally posted by tfjim:
LOL, I'd be perfectly comfortable walking the streets of Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Muscat, Bahrain, etc. in the current climate. Probably feel better there than some western countries.

I was referring to being "mobbed" not bombed.

I have mailed an acquaintence in Germany to ask what the political climate might be like for a lone American traveller simply wanting to spend a couple of days there on the far end of a MR. Looking mid-march, which by then we'll probably have started a shooting war, and over the objection of a large segment of the european populace. Hoping for a reply before the fare expires.

I'm wondering if I should go UK instead.

So yes - I'm a little concerned, but it's more about personal safety/enjoyment issues more than interrupted schedules. I don't really anticipate that.

Well, I've been known to be a little on the paranoid side..... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/tongue.gif

Looking at my first Europe flights in a couple years, and trying to accrue NW/KL/CO miles, I've tended toward KL operated flights over the water. While I doubt we'll see a repeat of Sept. 11, I would imagine that flight operations of a non-US carrier would not be affected as much as a US carrier may. As far as I know, Al Qaida doesn't have a beef against the Netherlands.

I think that a boss would be understanding (perhaps even concerned?)--not the boss I had 12 years ago. She was very upset that I had left work for 3 days to take care of my sister's family who had just died.

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I agree that most people (Arabs included) do not dislike Americans, only the US govt.

Would you feel any safer walking around certain areas of large US cities? Climbing a ladder? driving a car?

Ive been in places when anti-american sentiment is running really high. Generally people give you a bit of a cold shoulder at first but once they talk with you its easy to become friends with anyone if you are friendly.

I'd imagine in western Europe there will be no danger for a lone American tourist. The Euros are sophisticated enough to recognize that one person doesn't represent an entire country and will treat you as you treat them.

Travelling throughout most of the world for Americans is as safe as it ever was. One can take an anti-war or anti-Bush stance and not be anti-American. They are not necessarily the same you know.

Dave - Japan

Originally posted by LLZ:
I'm a little dumbfounded here....Traveling through the Middle East might be another story.....

LOL, I'd be perfectly comfortable walking the streets of Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Muscat, Bahrain, etc. in the current climate. Probably feel better there than some western countries.

I'll state that air travel and travel in general will feel so much safer AND BETTER once the announcement that the "Liberation of Iraq" has begun.

Originally posted by fholt:
I have mailed an acquaintence in Germany to ask what the political climate might be like for a lone American traveller simply wanting to spend a couple of days there on the far end of a MR. Looking mid-march, which by then we'll probably have started a shooting war, and over the objection of a large segment of the european populace. Hoping for a reply before the fare expires.

I'm wondering if I should go UK instead.

So yes - I'm a little concerned, but it's more about personal safety/enjoyment issues more than interrupted schedules. I don't really anticipate that.

I Just came back last week. The seniment is that we are a bunch of cowboys but I only met one person that wanted to put down Americans and I real quickly said this isn't the time or place in a bar to talk politics and we got along great after that. I would think Continental Europe would be safer than UK in the current climate. Go to France or Germany I think they are immune from terrorism for the time being.

Originally posted by cure:
Perhaps German opinion, or at least 80% of it, is not so warm and fuzzy about America:

'Janine, a 17-year-old schoolgirl with green-dyed hair, vented her anger at President Bush: "Bush is just like Hitler. He is just as right-wing and war crazy."'

I didn't know that a 17-year-old girl with green hair represented public opinion in Germany - even 80% of it. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

Mike

Although the carefully worded original post does relate itself to a Mileage Run, the topic really does not have to do with one -- it appears to be more an issue of the safety and propriety of travelling during a potential military action.

Based on that, I'm going to take the (likely unpopular) action of moving this to TravelBuzz. A link can be found at the top of this thread.

dmfriedman, a.k.a. Dave
Moderator, Mileage Run

Don't mention politics, religion, war, saving the world, and no one should kill you.

I'm a little dumbfounded here.

This is Europe folks....are you really concerned you'll be attacked by a mob??? Traveling through the Middle East might be another story, but Germany, France, Spain (who by the way did vote for the U.S. this last round), Italy, etc.??? You're really worried about this?

The sentiment may be present in some but folks they're still Western European democracies.

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